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Re: Zeiss Györ M. 11 Z. Feldstecher 6fach
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2017, 08:39:12 AM »
Hi Rodolfo,

what I tried to say was that maybe the HV is a W. But of course this was only an idea, I have no proof.

It could well be as well that HV is the Hungarian abbreviation for army.

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Re: Zeiss Györ M. 11 Z. Feldstecher 6fach
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2017, 08:40:11 AM »
In any case I am convinced that the 2 numbers represent the year.

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Re: Zeiss Györ M. 11 Z. Feldstecher 6fach
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2017, 10:02:48 AM »
Gentlemen, sorry to have caused a sleepless night over this new Binocular. I was at a Christmas party last night, hence could not stay awake to follow the conversation  :)

I tend to believe they have the Hungarian army acceptance mark, as suggested by Rodolfo.
But more research needed to confirm that they used the HV in the 30’s.

It would mean these were old stock items, issued only 20 years+ after production, or re-issued ?

Rodolfo, does your Zeiss Wien HV 37 have the same reticle?

They could also be old revised binoculars, to which they added the new writings. The serial number was not changed.
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Re: Zeiss Györ M. 11 Z. Feldstecher 6fach
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2017, 10:16:28 AM »

In my collection I have a Györ binocular with a corresponding case. There is a stamp on the case which says: Bp (HERALDIC SIGN) 32


Good morning Gents,

indeed it was a very long (or short?) night... ;)

Frank, regarding the BP (Heraldic sign) 32 maybe the following link supports your assumption.

http://www.rainerregiment.at/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=416&Itemid=470

BP for Budapest and 32 for year of acceptance (or manufacturing date?).
« Last Edit: December 21, 2017, 10:28:59 AM by Winfried Tuerk »
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Re: Zeiss Györ M. 11 Z. Feldstecher 6fach
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2017, 10:25:34 AM »

Rodolfo, does your Zeiss Wien HV 37 have the same reticle?


Hi Martin,

no, the reticle is as the image.

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Re: Zeiss Györ M. 11 Z. Feldstecher 6fach
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2017, 02:23:37 PM »
Thank you, Winfried.

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Re: Zeiss Györ M. 11 Z. Feldstecher 6fach
« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2017, 02:46:33 PM »
At Kahles one sees this military acceptance more often.
According to recherche it is an Austrian acceptance before the WW II - (Ständestaat Österreich von 1934-1938) - https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%A4ndestaat_(%C3%96sterreich)
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http://www.fernglasmuseum.at/museum/kahles_6mal30_1/kahles_6mal30_1.html
http://www.fernglasmuseum.at/museum/Kahles%206x30/Kahles_6mal30.html

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Re: Zeiss Györ M. 11 Z. Feldstecher 6fach
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2017, 04:02:55 PM »
Good Hans, this seems to me the exact explanation.  :D

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Re: Zeiss Györ M. 11 Z. Feldstecher 6fach
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2017, 04:36:42 PM »
Hurrah! Looking forward to have long nights again!
Thank you very much Hans!
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Re: Zeiss Györ M. 11 Z. Feldstecher 6fach
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2017, 07:39:46 PM »
Excellent, mystery solved and it all makes sense, apart from the very long period between manufacturing and acceptance stamp - any idea on this?
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Re: Zeiss Györ M. 11 Z. Feldstecher 6fach
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2017, 07:45:44 PM »
Reworked? ;)
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Re: Zeiss Györ M. 11 Z. Feldstecher 6fach
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2017, 08:01:31 PM »
or good warehouse funds ?  ;)
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Re: Zeiss Györ M. 11 Z. Feldstecher 6fach
« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2017, 08:11:06 PM »
I like that idea Rodolfo - going into a forgotten warehouse and finding unissued binoculars of an earlier era sounds like a dream come true! ;)
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Re: Zeiss Györ M. 11 Z. Feldstecher 6fach
« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2018, 07:58:25 PM »
Hello Rodolfo

you've set up three cover plates of Zeiss binoculars (presumably M9 / 13) further up.
As you may know, I want to create a list on the subject: "Austrian stamps" (ÜK, HV, etc.). It's about the relationship of stamp and serial number (see: http://binopedia.info/index.php?topic=607.0)
You would really help me, if you would still set images of the other cover plate as well as edge number, so that I can insert them into the list.

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Re: Zeiss Györ M. 11 Z. Feldstecher 6fach
« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2018, 01:53:47 AM »
Hello Fritz,
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you've set up three cover plates of Zeiss binoculars (presumably M9 / 13) further up.
sorry but I do not understand what you mean.  :(

If you refer to my Zeiss list, in my research I put the brands in order of acceptance date and not of serial number. As you can see the matriculation number does not have the same progression of the date of acceptance.

With this sort, there is precisely the reference between it and the serial number of acceptance date. When the cell is empty, and due to lack of data, and I do not always have the image available, but the data is communicated to me via text.

Mettere nella lista anche le foto delle placche, secondo me, farebbe troppa confusione. Inoltre, sulle placche, non sempre i dati sono ben leggibili dalla foto.

Please : answer me to my last post on the topic:

http://binopedia.info/index.php?topic=607.0

and if you want to work with me, maybe it would be better to open a dedicated topic, otherwise we risk going off topic in Martin's argument.

Dear cheers
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