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0821480 / 0947058 Zeiss DF6x24 and DF8x24 re-issued
« on: August 10, 2018, 11:38:44 PM »
I would like to add another two re-issued Zeiss ww1 models, reworked and re-issued.
They have a lot in common, note again the different number font used (4) as we seen now on
a few re-issued
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Re: Zeiss DF6x24 and DF8x24 re-issued
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2018, 11:58:57 PM »
Do they still have the big knobs fitted Martin?
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Re: Zeiss DF6x24 and DF8x24 re-issued
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2018, 12:03:53 AM »
Sorry Martin,

Why yo read "reworking" and "re.issued" ? 947058 -> 1918 and 821480 -> 1917. In in those years was usual already write "dienstglas". looking at the image better, I notice the lateral screw on the interpupillary washer, which was subsequently adopted. Or am I wrong ?

There is still the big knob, or it has been eliminated

I don't see the difference between the two (4) of D.F. 6x24 and D.F. 8x24. Do you mean the 4 of the serial number ?

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Re: Zeiss DF6x24 and DF8x24 re-issued
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2018, 08:54:47 AM »
Reissued because of the new font numbering (serial)
Yes the big screw is removed
And they were both issued to a KM connected unit, training, auxiliary or marinehelfer

Have a third cover also engraved for this KM purpose
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Re: Zeiss DF6x24 and DF8x24 re-issued
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2018, 09:29:38 AM »
So probably reworked on two separate occasions?
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Re: Zeiss DF6x24 and DF8x24 re-issued
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2018, 09:38:46 AM »
I think in one only Niall, overhauled, body re-coated, serial number re-engraved, big screw removed and issued to the KM with the small eagle below
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Re: Zeiss DF6x24 and DF8x24 re-issued
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2018, 02:08:11 PM »
Reissued because of the new font numbering (serial)
Yes the big screw is removed
And they were both issued to a KM connected unit, training, auxiliary or marinehelfer

Have a third cover also engraved for this KM purpose

Now, with the other photos, I understand. . . ;)
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Re: Zeiss DF6x24 and DF8x24 re-issued
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2018, 02:27:51 PM »
I think in one only Niall, overhauled, body re-coated, serial number re-engraved, big screw removed and issued to the KM with the small eagle below

Maybe you're right Martin - for some reason I imagine these reworks to be from the 1920's and thought perhaps ex army reworked Dienstglas could then have been passed over to naval use in the 1930's as the big army contracts made them obsolete.
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Re: Zeiss DF6x24 and DF8x24 re-issued
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2018, 03:37:03 PM »
OK, nothing should be thrown away, but I wonder why, in the 30s it wanted to re-use ww1 binoculars when it was possible to make better optics.

Incidentally, I also wonder why the Dienstglas of the years 30 and following, have not been made in a wide-angle version. As far as I know, the Delactis, Deltrentis and Delturis series, in the military version, was a minority. It may be for the higher cost.
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Re: Zeiss DF6x24 and DF8x24 re-issued
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2018, 06:52:57 PM »
I imagine the rapid expansion of the armed forces caught them out - the early KM especially seems to have relied on WW1 reworks.
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Re: Zeiss DF6x24 and DF8x24 re-issued
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2018, 05:31:28 PM »
I think it might have been reworked only when resources got scarce in 1942, the rough body coating is similar to this period Zeiss Dienstglases
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Re: Zeiss DF6x24 and DF8x24 re-issued
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2018, 06:20:53 PM »
Do you think it was reworked by Zeiss mid war Martin?
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Re: Zeiss DF6x24 and DF8x24 re-issued
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2018, 03:12:39 PM »
I thought I'd seen your Nr 4 before Martin - it's the one in the Green Book. I don't read German but hammered a little into Google and note it's headed

Gefalschte zusatz- gravierung = False additional engraving

Mind you - on the page before (744) is shown WW1 reworks with blc markings and they're noted as

die aufschrift ist gefalscht = the inscription is fake

Yet, on WA, a recent discussion about reworked WW1 binos seems to regards them as pukka;

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=923746&highlight=Telact

Too many of these anomalies are appearing for them all to be suspect;

http://binopedia.info/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=200.0;attach=1514;image

http://binopedia.info/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=361.0;attach=2942;image
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Re: Zeiss DF6x24 and DF8x24 re-issued
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2018, 06:10:01 PM »
Correct Niall, at the time I had only Nr.4 it appeared like a possible fake, although I thought it could be real because of the body covering (more on that next week)
But since I have found another two with KM numbers, I am now convinced we are looking at overhauled models from the Zeiss factory.
Too many to be all fakes, I agree with you there 100%
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Re: Zeiss DF6x24 and DF8x24 re-issued
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2018, 07:00:14 PM »
I thik we're singing from the same hymn sheet Martin. ;)
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