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Zbig Fiema

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oversized Soviet 6x30s from 1930s
« on: January 03, 2020, 11:56:32 PM »
Dear all, well, I am not sure if this subject is in the right place nor if it is a subject at all. I have a few Soviet-era glasses and a particular, seemingly civilian, model from 1930s always gathered my particular interest. These 6x30 glasses are usually without graticule, most often dated to 1930s (at least in my collection) are somewhat larger/wider than "ordinary" military Soviet 6x30, have elongated objective tubes, are definitely heavier than military 6x30 glasses, and seemingly more robust. The pics show: 1 - two of these "oversized" glasses (top) in comparison with an ordinary military Soviet 6x30 (bottom). 2 - the military 6x30 is on the bottom. 3- the upper right one is Hensoldt Dienstglas 6x30 for comparison. 4 and 5 - markings on the plates. Unfortunately, I cannot be sure if the oversized ones represent a model from a specific factory. But they do remind me somewhat of Leitz 8x and Goerz 8x (elongated objective tubes) although the Soviet ones are definitely heavier and wider. Well, perhaps nothing special yet I am puzzled by this "oversized" type... Any comments will be appreciated...
PS: One of these featured here glasses belonged to OGPU, the infamous successor of NKVD and the predecessor of KGB.

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Re: oversized Soviet 6x30s from 1930s
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2020, 12:37:49 AM »
I always thought the over sized type was an intermediate style between the WW1 and the late 30's / WW2 type. Weren't some made in Leningrad?  ;)
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Re: oversized Soviet 6x30s from 1930s
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2020, 10:53:24 PM »
Thanks for your comment, Niall. Yes, it was impression too but I just wonder whether the oversized were indeed military (only one out of 4 I have has graticule); maybe naval issues?

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Re: oversized Soviet 6x30s from 1930s
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2020, 11:52:50 AM »
I think they're military Zbig but heard from a russian expert that the Leningrad oversized were often without reticles.

As to naval - I've Soviet Army binos without and Soviet Naval with reticles so who knows? The only surefire way of knowing naval from the WW2 era that I know is that the reticle is in the left with provision for illumination on Red Navy binos. ;)
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Re: oversized Soviet 6x30s from 1930s
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2020, 12:27:17 PM »
Hi Zbig, all your three binoculars seem to have been produced in the GOMZ (State Optical - Mechanical Plant Leningrad) in the period of 1930s - 1940s.

Maybe the hammer and sickle logo means Soviet property?

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https://docplayer.ru/68193118-Pavlov-p-i-identifikaciya-sovetskih-binokley-vypuska-do-1945-goda.html
« Last Edit: January 05, 2020, 01:04:59 PM by Winfried Tuerk »
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Re: oversized Soviet 6x30s from 1930s
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2020, 12:45:32 PM »
That's the plant I was told made many binos without reticles - I think I have three of them. ;)
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Re: oversized Soviet 6x30s from 1930s
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2020, 10:38:18 PM »
Thank you for your comments, gentlemen, which make sense to me, also with regard to the lack of reticle. I guess Hammer Sickle and Star logo was on all Soviet military binoculars, also some time after WW2? I have one dated 1951. 

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Re: oversized Soviet 6x30s from 1930s
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2020, 11:39:17 PM »
A handy design for park benches too Zbig. ;)
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Re: oversized Soviet 6x30s from 1930s
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2020, 09:15:36 PM »
Brilliant design, dear Niall. Hope you will apply for the patent rights  :D

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Re: oversized Soviet 6x30s from 1930s
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2020, 12:22:02 AM »
They were to be installed beside the Zil lanes in Britain but the election didn't go to plan Zbig. ;D


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Re: oversized Soviet 6x30s from 1930s
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2020, 10:57:06 AM »
Please Winfried,

Quote
reference
https://docplayer.ru/68193118-Pavlov-p-i-identifikaciya-sovetskih-binokley-vypuska-do-1945-goda.html

can you tell me how can i download this document? I have tried but without success.

Thanks so much
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Re: oversized Soviet 6x30s from 1930s
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2020, 12:06:44 PM »
ZIL lanes in Britain????`?

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Re: oversized Soviet 6x30s from 1930s
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2020, 02:53:05 PM »
Nearly Zbig - but commonsense prevailed. ;D
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Re: oversized Soviet 6x30s from 1930s
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2020, 05:29:35 PM »
Please Winfried,

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reference
https://docplayer.ru/68193118-Pavlov-p-i-identifikaciya-sovetskih-binokley-vypuska-do-1945-goda.html

can you tell me how can i download this document? I have tried but without success.

Thanks so much

I failed with downloading as well Rodolfo >:(

Take the Sniping Tool, it works as always... ;)
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Re: oversized Soviet 6x30s from 1930s
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2020, 06:19:32 PM »
Thanks Winfried, I used Sniping Tool for what interested me  ;)
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